Wednesday, November 17, 2004

Let's finish the fisking ...

... of the article we've been taking apart here, and here -- with some short responses:


"Money isn't the only thing. You have to figure out what your advantage is and leverage that," Frank said. "[The Democrats’] advantage used to be they were the party of the common people, not money. They need to figure out how to do this without the money."

Mr. Frank, they stopped being the party of the common people when they embraced Leftism in the late 1960's ... just as the GOP left the country club in the 1960's and 1970's. That, and not the money, is the real problem of the Democratic Party, IMO.


"Kerry comes across as a son of privilege, a product of the Eastern elite that people out there can't stand," Bostonian Bill Zarnoch, who attended college in Indiana, told "Even though Democrats would've helped [Midwesterners] more, they still voted for Bush because they think he’s a good old boy."

"Midwesterners don't really relate to Democrats," Carol Kolb, editor-in-chief of satirical newspaper The Onion and a Wisconsin native, told "Especially Kerry, he was much more intellectual than Bush, and that's not what someone in Middle America relates to.

"The problem with the Democratic Party is they really do have the wishes of the masses in mind, but I think there is a little bit of condescension," said Kolb, who voted for Kerry. "If you're in a position to almost become president of the United States, you're not in a position to relate to the common man completely."

People, the problem you have runs far deeper than Midwesterners' perception of Kerry as viewing them down the length of his nose.

It involves substance.

For many of us, it was not that we saw Bush as a common man -- it was that his policies made common sense!! It was the substance of his ideas and actions that appealed to us ... affecting our vote far, far more than any revulsion to perceived condensension on the part of "your" candidate.

People, you have become so self-assured in your intellectual superiority over us "simple people", that you persistently confuse an appearance of knowledge with true wisdom ... which is often very simple.

You do have a faith problem -- an excessive faith in your own abilities to perceive reality and apply reason to those perceptions, to the point that you summarily dismiss what "simple people" like me think as beneath you. It is not that we think you are know-it-alls -- it is that you really do "think you know it all"!

Stop thinking that you have all the answers -- and start LISTENING to us, and TEST your ... and our ... ideas against common sense.

Keep dismissing your losses as a perception or sales problem -- and you will keep losing elections.


"That’s how [the GOP] creates divisions," said Jeff Price, president of Brooklyn-based spinArt Records. "You call them names. The right has done a very effective job at framing the left — they suck at responding," Price, 37, told

My response -- cast pot, aluminum kettle, black


"I'm agnostic but I still believe in morality, in right and wrong," Zarnoch said. "[Kerry] never brought up the civilian casualties in Iraq, which could have appealed to evangelicals."

Probably not, Mr. Zarnoch -- for (1) compared to other conflicts, they were relatively minor in proportion (thanks to the blood/risk/treasure we have applied in modern warfare towards that end), and (2) we realize that, in order to solve the problem of suffering at the hands of tyranny, the tyrant must be removed -- there are some tyrants who are so incorrigble that force must be used to remove them -- and some will inevitibly be caught in the crossfire, but it still must be done to protect other innocent parties.

Read Romans chapter 13 -- while we must always be mindful that there are times where "we must obey God rather than men", people like me view a just government as God's sometimes-violent instrument to further justice.

Kevin Owens, a schoolteacher in Austin, Texas, argued that Democrats embody Christian values more than Republicans.
"Ask [Republicans] what Jesus said about the difficulty of a rich man getting into heaven. What does this say about tax cuts, about cutting funding for schools, health insurance and apparent favoritism for the wealthiest contingent of our country?" asked Owens, 31. "The Sermon on the Mount said ‘blessed are the peacemakers.' Can this administration really call itself peacemakers?"

Yes, this government is a peacemaker -- for it justly removes those who would seek to destroy that peace. You need to read Romans 13 as well, Mr. Owens.

You also need to read this ...

Thus endeth the fisking.

Rich, can you see how statements like ...

"people like me view a just government as God's sometimes-violent instrument to further justice."

can scare the pants off non-believers like me? It sounds awfully similar to the muslim radicals who themselves believe that they are instruments of god's justice too....

It's a bit like when we had kings and queens who beleived they were appointed by god - any war they wanted to fight was "the will of god" and the net result was bloodshed and suffering all round.
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Wade -- there is one big difference:

While we believe that God has the power to use government as an instrument for justice, we do not subscribe to the concept that the government -- and especially the people within it -- should have the authority/power/trust we give God.

The Islamofascists do.

We grew up, had our Reformation, and dumped the Divine Right of Kings into the historical trashcan. The Islamofascists never underwent such transformations -- their worldview is still stuck in the 8th Century.

I encourage you to click on the last link in the post, for more on this ... in particular, read the last section from that link, and I think you'll see more of this difference between people like me, and people like OBL.
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